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HVIis your husband at the university as well ?
MOTno he works in London # he commutes .
HVI*HVI: oh I think I remember you telling me that [>] .
CHIninã [<] .
GRAno that's not nina ["] that's [//] # those are flowers .
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GRA0.
HVIwell she knows what it is anyway .
GRA*GRA: I think she'll have us on quite soon .
HVIisn't she sweet [<]?
GRAI think she does already [>].
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GRAI think she'll have us on quite soon .
HVIisn't she sweet [<]?
GRA*GRA: I think she does already [>].
MOT<she is xxx > [<] # I'm sure she does yes .
HVIyou little poppet aren't you ?
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HVI<but she> [<] [/] she generally plays well with other children .
MOTyes .
HVI*HVI: (be)cause I think sometimes at this age they haven't quite developed the idea of sharing or otherness yet have they and you can often get sort of xxx [>] .
CHIgranny [<] .
CHIgranny [<] .
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CHIgranny [<] .
GRA<granny's # yes> [<] .
MOT*MOT: um # no I don't think so .
CHIyyy .
GRAgranny's xxx .
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HVIif you've weighed her that <would be useful> [>] .
MOT<and I looked> [<] [/] I looked [//] I haven't [/] well I haven't done [//] I did it # a couple of weeks ago # .
MOT*MOT: I um then looked at [/] at the chart of the norms and I noticed that she was about # normal on # head circumferance and um # weight but she was [/] she [//] I think she was shorter than normal.
GRA<what are those> [<] ?
CHIabi [<] .
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CHIgalleta [<] .
GRAmm ?
MOT*MOT: she was in [//] well in the height I think she was quite <# she was within the> [/] # she was within the normal distribution but about [//] I don't know # about the fifth .
CHIgalleta [<] .
GRAyes [<] .
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CHIlamp [<] [?] .
GRAlight [<] .
MOT*MOT: yes I think so .
HVIand weight she was [//] was she around the same weightwise or # a little bit more ?
CHIlight [<] .
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CHIlight [<] .
GRAlight [<] # yes .
MOT*MOT: um she weighs # um # I think it was +...
GRAhere are some more lights # where are the other lights ?
GRA<shall we find them again> [>] ?
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HVIum [>] so that's xxx [>] .
CHIyyy [<] .
MOT*MOT: <what do you think then> [<] [//] do you think that's about # normal then [>] .
HVIyes [<] [/] yes I do .
CHIyyy .
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HVI+, certainly twenty three pounds for a child of this age who is quite short # sounds <very [//] # very> [>] average .
CHIyyy [<] .
HVI*HVI: um # but I think the thing is <obviously their interest> [>] is taken up with so My <other things> [>] at the moment that +...
CHIyyy [<] .
CHIyyy [<] .
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CHI0.
GRAbricks [<] .
MOT*MOT: I think that's where I got it from .
GRAbricks .
GRAfind the other ones then darling .
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MOTbricks .
HVIbricks .
MOT*MOT: xxx yes I think that's where I got it from .
CHIyyy .
GRAyes ?
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CHIyyy .
CHIdos [>] .
MOT*MOT: <ah I> [<] think it must be uno # dos +...
GRAoh yes it must be because her daddy counts .
MOT+, tres # sort of dush because she says dush when she wants to go upstairs as well .
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GRAdoes [//] do you count the stairs as you go up ?
GRAbecause you usually [//] you often do with children and she might have got that idea from counting up the stairs <you know one two three> [>] .
MOT*MOT: <well I think> [<] she might generalize the # idea of the bricks on top of one another to <going up the stairs> [>] .
GRA<going up the stairs> [<] <yes she might> [>] do .
CHI<oh dear> [<] .
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CHIbricks [?] .
GRAyes bricks .
MOT*MOT: I think it's about ## xxx approximately [>] .
GRA<oh you clever girl have you found them> [<] ?
GRAis there another one there ?
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HVInineteen .
CHIxxx .
GRA*GRA: oh no I don't think we'll <throw them M> [>] .
HVIxxx [<] .
GRAshe does though .
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CHIdos@s [<] # dos@s [<] .
GRA<and then they all fell down and she said oh dear> [<] .
GRA*GRA: I think Sergio might have counted up the stairs [>] with her .
CHIdos [<] .
MOT<I'll have to ask him> [>] .
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CHI0.
GRAwho are these M ?
GRA*GRA: I don't think I've seen these before .
GRAI wonder if you've had some new ones .
GRAare these new Margaret ?
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GRA<oh right> [<] yes .
MOTseventy seven and a half # centimetres .
MOT*MOT: actually that measurement was at the end of November but I think I checked her again xxx I don't think she's grown .
GRAthat's <right you make M measure> [>] .
MOT<she loves tape measures> [<] .
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CHIgranny [<] .
GRAxxx [>] .
MOT*MOT: <yes but I> [<] [/] I think she [//] I don't think there's much difference .
HVIok .
CHIGranny [>] .
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CHIyyy [<] .
MOTno [<] .
HVI*HVI: but they are [//] # both the weight and height are very nicely together # and I think if we had a height [//] a head circumferance chart as well [//] we'd see that they were [//] that that was also # with the fiftieth [//] # just below the fiftieth centile so xxx [>] .
MOT<do you expect> [<] their um [/] # their height and weight at this stage to <still correlate> [>] with birth ?
CHIyyy .
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MOT<do you expect> [<] their um [/] # their height and weight at this stage to <still correlate> [>] with birth ?
CHIyyy .
HVI*HVI: I think what we're looking for more at this age is for them to correlate # more together # with the head circumferance [>] .
MOTyes [<] exactly .
HVIrather than xxx [>] .
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MOTsometimes .
HVIyes .
HVI*HVI: I think you know # as you say the [//] if one word characterises this age # it's ambivalence # in every sense [>] of the word .
MOTyes [<] .
HVII'm doing this course with Barbara Lloyd # presumably you [/] you know +...
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CHIbed [<] .
MOT<she's a trained psychoanalyst isn't she> [<] ?
HVI*HVI: that's right # <very unnerving> [>] talking to her though (be)cause I always think oh God she's looking right through me .
CHIoh dear [<] .
MOT0.
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MOTbed no the bed's going [//] the teddy's got to <go in the bed> [>] .
HVIxxx [<] .
MOT*MOT: I think she doesn't like the teddy being <out of the bed> [>] .
HVI<oh I> [<] see .
MOTshall we put him back in the bed ?
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CHIyyy [>] .
HVIblimey [<] I mean +...
MOT*MOT: we had one point where we were going through one of the security checks in one of the airports on the way and she was carrying her dog # and the [//] um sec [//] the security guard made as if to take the dog away to check it and I said [/] I said <oh look I don't think she's going to like it if you take it away> ["] and he said <oh oh all right then> ["] so he checked it very nicely without [>] taking it away .
CHIninã [<] [?] .
HVIxxx [>] .
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GRAcan you put it in ?
CHI0.
HVI*HVI: I think I learn more coming here to talk to you than you do from me .
GRA0.
HVIwhen will you finish your research ?
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CHI0.
GRA+^ has she been changed ?
MOT*MOT: not # I think # since just # about half past nine no just after nine she was changed .
CHI0.
GRAwell ought she be changed before she goes out ?
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GRAor are they a # balloon ?
CHIyyy .
GRA*GRA: do you think it's a ball ?
GRAthey're having a party aren't they ?
GRAand there's a lovely +...
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GRAclock yes .
CHI0.
GRA*GRA: xxx don't think xxx up does it ?
CHIGranny .
GRAGranny do it ?
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CHIno [?] .
GRAno ?
GRA*GRA: no we won't have it on I don't think .
GRAwhat else can we find ?
GRAwhat's this here ?
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CHIyyy .
GRAmm # M's ?
GRA*GRA: I think it's broken .
GRAyes it won't go on .
GRAjust hold it like that # that's right .